by Debra Heine


CNN’s chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta came woefully unprepared for his interview with podcast host Joe Rogan Wednesday, and was forced to concede several key points that counter the COVID narrative of his network.

During Wednesday’s installment of “The Joe Rogan Experience,” Gupta admitted that is was wrong for his network to falsely claim that Rogan had taken “horse dewormer” as a COVID treatment, conceded that very few children have died from the virus, and agreed that Fauci and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded high risk coronavirus ‘gain of function’ research in the Wuhan lab.

After Gupta had recommended that all Americans get vaccinated—including children—Rogan pressed him on why he thought even children should get the jab when kids are “far less likely to get sick” and less likely to be hospitalized.

Rogan pointed out that parents feel the came lack of concern about their children getting COVID and dying, that he, a vaccinated man in his fifties, has about getting COVID.

“You see what I’m saying? With your attitude that you’re not worried about catching it because you’ve been vaccinated, and you’re a healthy guy—that is the exact same feeling that people have about vaccinating their children. If they have healthy children, and they know statistically speaking, there’s so few children that have died from COVID,” Rogan argued.

Gupta conceded that very few children have died of COVID, but added, “but part of this is defining it not in terms of life and death.”

To buttress his argument, Rogan brought up a study that found  “young boys face a higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than they do from getting COVID.”

Gupta said that “myocarditis was the big one,” but insisted that the risk of getting myocarditis was higher with COVID-19 than it was with the vaccine.

Rogan pointed out that the study showed 86 percent of those who got myocarditis from the vaccine required “some hospital care,” and asked the doctor if that concerned him.

Gupta said he didn’t believe the number of hospitalizations was that high.

“But it says it right there—86 percent of boys affected by vaccine-related myocarditis required some hospitalization,” Rofan shot back.

“No, I see what you’re saying,” Gupta replied.

“This doesn’t concern you? Rogan asked.

“It does concern me totally,” Gupta responded. “But the question still is—from a risk-reward proposition—”

“The risk-reward proposition there is very clear,” Rogan interjected.

“No-no, but if I say, hey look, ‘I’m worried about myocarditis … what is the likelihood that I’m going to have myocarditis from the vaccine versus myocarditis from the disease?” Gupta answered.

“It seems like according to THAT study, young boys ages 12 to 15 are far more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than you are from COVID,” Rogan argued.

“There’s not a lot of kids who go to the hospital for COVID, you’re right about that, and myocarditis is a risk, but myocarditis is more common in those who get the disease,” Gupta claimed.

“But according to that study, it’s not,” Rogan argued. “You’re saying it, but you’re ignoring the science that they’re presenting. They’re showing that you’re more likely to get myocarditis by a large number.”

Gupta disagreed, saying, “they’re not saying myocarditis.”

“They’re saying that you are 4 to 6 times more likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis than be hospitalized with COVID,” Rogan insisted.

“I will take a look at this,” Gupta replied.

“But you have an impulse to defend the vaccination in light of this data,” Rogan said.

Gupta said the question is from a risk-reward perspective and said the “more people that have immunity the better.”

Rogan also grilled the doctor on why someone like him, who has already had COVID, should get vaccinated.

“By the way, I’m glad you’re better,” Gupta said.

“Thank you,” Rogan responded. “You’re probably the only one at CNN who’s glad … The rest of them are all lying about me taking horse medication.”

“That bothered you,” Gupta replied, grinning.

“It should bother you too,” Rogan shot back. “They’re lying at your network about people taking human drugs versus drugs for veterinary.”

“Calling it a ‘horse dewormer’ is not the most flattering thing, I get that,” Gupta conceded, still trying to take a lighthearted approach to the smears..

“It’s a lie,” Rogan pushed back. “It’s a lie on a news network … and it’s a lie that they’re conscious of. It’s not a mistake. They’re unfavorably framing it as veterinary medicine.”

Gupta brought up the “snarky” tweet posted by the FDA saying, “You are not a horse. You are not a cow,” which was meant to dissuade people from taking ivermectin.

Rogan called out CNN’s coverage of the drug, pointing out that’s been “given out to billions and billions of people” and been given a Nobel Prize.

“Why would they lie and say that’s horse dewormer?” Rogan asked. “I can afford people medicine motherf—er. It’s ridiculous! It’s just a lie! Don’t you think that a lie like that is dangerous on a news network when you know that they know they’re lying? … Do you think that that’s a problem that your news network lies?”

“What did they say?” Gupta asked.

The podcast host first told Gupta that his ivermectin was “prescribed to me by a doctor,” so CNN correspondents should have claimed the drug he took was horse dewormer.

“Does it bother you that the network you work for out and out lied, just outright lied about me taking horse dewormer?” Rogan grilled Gupta.

“They shouldn’t have said that,” Gupta admitted.

“Why did they do that?” Rogan asked.

“I don’t know,” Gupta responded.

“You didn’t ask? You’re the medical guy over there!” Rogan exclaimed.

“I didn’t ask,” Gupta said. “I should’ve asked before coming on this podcast.”

Earlier this year, Rogan threatened to sue CNN after several of its hosts repeated the false narrative that he had taken horse dewormer to treat the disease. CNN correspondent Jim Acosta accused Rogan of “spreading disinformation.”

During an interview with NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci last month, Acosta asserted that Rogan had taken the “livestock de-wormer ivermectin,” scoffing that it “doesn’t have any effect on COVID, obviously.”

Reliable Sources host Brian Stelter told Anderson Cooper, “When you have a horse de-worming medication that’s discouraged by the government that actually causes some people in this crazed environment we’re in to actually want to try it – that’s the upside-down world we’re in with figures like Joe Rogan.”

Rogan played a clip of CNN anchor Erin Burnett claiming disdainfully that Rogan had told his “13 million Instagram followers” that he had taken Ivermectin, “a drug used for livestock.”

The podcast host noted that CNN had altered his coloring in the Instagram video, giving him a yellowish hue.

Gupta laughed, and said he looked great.

“The point is, it can be used for humans, that’s a lie,” Rogan said.

“It can be used for humans, I get it,” Gupta conceded.

“Not just could be used for humans—is often used for humans,” Rogan shot back. “They know it’s a human drug, and they lied. It’s defamatory.”

“Yeah, they shouldn’t have done that,” Gupta reiterated. “I don’t know if it’s defamatory.”

“I bet it is, it’s a lie,” Rogan insisted.

Gupta offered that it was possible to have “nuanced discussions” about this, and added defensively that no one at CNN took “glee” in him coming down with COVID.

Rogan fervently disagreed, saying that they certainly did, and noted that CNN did not report that he tested negative “five days later” and “felt great” following his treatment.

“My point is you’re working for a news organization. If they’re lying about a comedian taking horse medication, what are they telling us about Russia? What are they telling us about Syria? Do you understand that that’s why people get concerned about the veracity of the news?” Rogan pressed Gupta before the CNN correspondent, again, conceded he did not take a horse dewormer.

Rogan also asked Gupta to comment on Fauci’s connections to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Gupta initially waffled, predicting that “we may never know” the truth about the origins of the coronavirus, and whether or not it accidentally leaked from the Wuhan lab.

Rogan then pressed him about the NIH’s funding of EcoHealth Alliance,  a U.S.-based health organization that used federal money to fund bat coronavirus research at the Chinese laboratory.

“They applied for a grant to specifically do — to insert a furin cleavage site — which is that particular part of the virus that raised so much concern,” Gupta conceded, adding, “I don’t know sometimes what to do with this. It’s highly suspicious.”

Rogan noted that Fauci has been questioned on the NIH’s connections to the Wuhan Institute’s gain of function research on the coronavirus, adding, “But if the NIH was giving funding to EcoHealth Alliance and EcoHealth Alliance was funding that kind of research, and then Fauci is not being honest about that.”

“I think the NIH is clearly funding EcoHealth Alliance and EcoHealth Alliance is clearly giving grants to Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Gupta responded, agreeing that the three institutions were involved in the risky gain-of-function research.

Gupta tweeted later on Wednesday that he had walked into the “lion’s den” when he sat down with the popular host for over three hours. He said he was “ultimately glad” that he’d accepted Rogan’s invitation to appear on his show.

Gupta later appeared on CNN with Don Lemon, who defended the network’s Ivermectin lies. 

“It is not a lie to say that [Ivermectin] is used as a horse de-wormer. I think that’s important. And it is not approved for Covid.” Lemon said.

Rather than challenging the network for lying about Rogan taking horse de-wormer, Gupta agreed.

“Correct, it’s not approved for COVID, he said. “And the FDA even put out a statement saying—reminding people in a strange statement that said “you’re not a horse, you’re not a cow, stop taking this stuff, is essentially what they said referring to Ivermectin.”

The doctor added: “If you look at the data, there is no evidence that it really works [against Covid].”

There are literally dozens of studies now showing that Ivermectin is an effective treatment against COVID.

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Debra Heine reports for American Greatness.
Photo “Joe Rogan and Dr. Sanjay Gupta” by Joe Rogan Experience.




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